Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul

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Uh.... I would hardly call what happened ôidentity theftö or ôstolenö in the way I think you mean. The BoB name was acquired completely within the scope of game mechanics. The idea that Goonswarm should have the BoB name ôrightfully reversedö is ridiculous and runs counter to everything that makes Eve great.

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Previously Eve online GM's have renamed impersonating corporations and individuals and have returned "stolen names" to the original owners. The whole theft of identity theme that came to the fore in this blocking of alliance recreation by sitting on an alt corp is new ground and its never been allowed to stand before. I'd contend that Eve is not "made great" by allowing cheap director emocides to risk the identity of groups of thousands of players with no mechanism to rectify the situation.

Eve is about space opera, politics and clash of arms. Cheesy creation of alt-corps to exploit a weakness in the naming mechanic system is hardly adding much to Eve's mystique.

Goons claiming to have defeated BOB because they cheated and stole their name is not exactly good copy.

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The rest of your answers sort of hinge on this idea of something has been æstolenÆ so IÆll leave one quick comment. Hargooth or whoever it was, did not get forced into anything. He chose to disband BoB. While one may disagree with the ease in which he did this, itÆs not stealing.

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You and I and 99.9% of the rest of the server will never know precisely what happened there. We can guess. We can make assumptions, but we'll never know. But the "stealing of identity" is the creation of an alt corp to block the recreation of an established alliance name. It was obvious what was being done and it should have been rectified by the GMs.

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Adding safeguards in the future to the game so that this is harder to accomplish is fine. But whatÆs done is done, and done completely within the game. Not stealing, not theft, not cheating.

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I'm afraid I disagree on the naming issue. I consider it an exploit of the naming mechanism in game. Certainly there used to be an explicit eula term that made it against the rules to impersonate other players and organizations. I am also informed that there has been a prior case of identity theft in a similar manner (alliance disbanded due to non payment of fees and recreated by an enemy) that was resolved by renaming the offending parties alliance.

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Sure thing, the reason I asked was I was curious as to your stance on this issue as a CSM representative. I guess that would seem pretty obvious now, so IÆm going assume youÆre in favour of the choice made by CCP

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Well as I've said elsewhere I think CCP have not done the correct thing here (which would have been to rename the band of brothers alt corp and allow BOB to recreate their alliance with the correct name.) This would have put the matter to bed months ago and would have avoided all the complication over a sov holding entity being renamed which we now have.

On balance though I think its still a fair compromise (although not one to really satisfy anyone).

But what was really needed was an early decisive resolution that saw Band of Brothers name returned and the past precedent against identity theft upheld and restated.

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Originally by: O Thief

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Actually, I hope we find out it's all a huge unfair devsploit. Purely to see the wonderfully bitter nerdrage tears of the goons fill these pages.

My fingers are crossed.

(as an aside, they have of course completely lost the arguement as Jade rightly points out)

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Originally by: O Thief

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Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE

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Originally by: O Thief

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Actually, I hope we find out it's all a huge unfair devsploit. Purely to see the wonderfully bitter nerdrage tears of the goons fill these pages.

My fingers are crossed.

(as an aside, they have of course completely lost the arguement as Jade rightly points out)

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The only thing you've pointed out over and over is your terrible gimmick consisting of two parts fail:

1. Only goons care and not every single person that's ever wanted a name change.
2. I don't possess the mental faculties to understand this issue.
Bonus # 3. I am one of Jade's VIP customers.

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You're right, I don't have the intellectual capability to understand an issue as serious and complicated as an alliance petioning for a name change, and the owners of the game deciding to do that.

It is completely beyond my power of reasoning.

OR...

Maybe I'm the one that actually 'gets it', and you need to get a grip and focus less on trivilaities in an internet spaceship game. There is a whole world out there.

Its an MMO run by a privately owned company, who have made a decision. They don't have to justify it to you, me, or anyone else. If you don't like it, you know how to cancel your subscription.

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Originally by: O Thief

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Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE

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Hahahahah you still don't get it maybe you should start over and read from the beginning I really hope you can join the rest of us up here man. I'm rooting for you. o/\o

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You're either trolling or incredibly stupid, which is it?

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